Lecture By Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley in 1963
Transcriber’s Notes:
- Pause words have been left out, unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, such as: (ah, uh, see, you see, listen, listen close, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right, that’s right, you get it now, you get it, you get the point, do you see what I’m talking about, do you see that, do you see that now), hereby making it more easier to read with continuity of thought.
- … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.
- —– —- indicates an inaudible word, or words, or syllable.
- [ ] Words in brackets are comments of the transcriber.
Transcribed by Beverly Allen
Proofread by Syracuse, NY class
DR. KINLEY: Now I know that whether you want to admit it or not, you heard the gospel. Now that’s what you heard, and I know you know that. Now that ain’t the way they been doing it out there, no indeed. You know that too don’t you? [Student Body Laughs] Now God is proving Himself to be God. We must all see face to face and eye to eye. We must come into the unity of the spirit.
Now do you recall Sunday I said that I intended to tell you about the birthday of Jesus. I’m gonna cut that up real short. Now in the 24th Chapter of Matthew, I recommend that you take the book, that’s the reason why we had Dr. Jimmy Yates to read that. Jesus said, “The day and the hour knoweth no man, the Father has kept it in His own power,” (I’m talking about the Day of the Lord) no, not even the angels of heaven,” but God knew. I noticed when Dr. McCoy was on the floor talking about this ark, now this ark in it’s construction here, you can see it more clearer, it’s drawn out on this chart. “Noah, Peter said, was a preacher of righteousness.” And God said to Noah, “Make me an ark of gopher wood.” Is that right?
STUDENTS: Yes.
DR. KINLEY: No it ain’t! [Doc Laughs]. I just wanna see whether you’re awake or not, it was shittim wood, it’s pitched within and without. Now here’s what I’m getting at. I’m telling you that the theme of my discourse what I wanna deliver to you tonight, I wanna talk about Judgment Day. Now Jesus said that the angels in heaven, no man knows the day nor the hour. Now we have come to what they call, well I won’t say we, cause we’re too smart for that. This is not the year of ——, and ecclesiastically speaking it is not with the Jew either. But what I’m getting after, to show you that when God spoke to Noah, He said “The end of all flesh has come before me, make that ark.” Right then the end of all, right then there’s where the ultimatum and the decision was reached. But the long suffering of God, so says Peter in the 3rd Chapter, I wish you’d read that too. Hold your finger in them places cause I’ll be back. The 3rd Chapter of 2nd Peter, and you’ll find there in that chapter about that. Oh I’ll tell you, these verses… A lot of people just read verses, and run references in the Bible, they don’t know what Peter is talking about, nor nobody else, they’re just quoting ’em with no understanding. The 3rd Chapter, and I believe about the 8th verse, see what it’s talking about.
READER: But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now Paul, uh Peter said, “Now beloved be not ignorant,” don’t be ignorant about this. Now while you just read there, that’s Peter talking. Now look, hold your finger in there and I’ll be right back -10th Chapter of 1Corinthians and the first verse. Read it please.
READER: Moreover brethren I would not. . .
DR. KINLEY: “Moreover brethren,” he’s saying on top of what I’ve said to you, “Moreover brethren,” what?
READER: I would not that you should be ignorant. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now he don’t want you to be ignorant about that. Ignorant about what?
READER: how that all our fathers were under the cloud. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and all passed through the sea. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and were all baptized unto Moses. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: in the cloud and in the sea
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and did all eat that same. . .
DR. KINLEY: and did all eat that meat
READER: that spiritual meat. . .
DR. KINLEY: That spiritual meat And what else?
READER: and did all drink the same spiritual drink. . .
DR. KINLEY: Read on.
READER: for they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them and that rock was Christ. . .
DR. KINLEY: Oh no, that’s Peter! That rock was Peter!
STUDENTS: No!
DR. KINLEY: So says the Roman Catholic. Matthew 16:18 “Upon this rock I’ll build my church and the very gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” They say the rock was Peter. Jesus said search the scriptures. The scriptures says “Behold I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and a rock of offense!” Paul said “That Rock was Christ,” not Peter. You just might as well build the Church on Adam back here as to build it on Peter. ADAM WAS A CONFESSED SINNER and so also was Peter, because when Christ raised from the dead he said “Depart from me oh my God, I’m a sinful man.” Now do you think God is ignorant enough to build a church on a sinner? Can you see through what I’m talking about? Now that’s the way all Christendom is out there, first one conglomerated mess and the other. They don’t go like Dr. McCoy did here to show you in repetition, and correlations, and so forth and so on. But getting to the point now, Peter said there, Paul said “Moreover brethren I don’t want you to be ignorant how all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea” Now this is what he don’t want you to be ignorant about it. Well the folks are ignorant of it whether he wants to be or not. Now let me, let me point that out. It’s, it’s just so many things that’s hard to be uttered… I’ll get back on the subject. You see He baptized them in the cloud and in the sea unto Moses, all of our fathers, the posterity of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now listen here you, all those were Israelites, no Gentiles. Do you understand that? Now there’s no need to call no ecumenical council and to have a debate about it either. That’s the way that was, so don’t be ignorant about it. Now then if that’s so here, then if they were baptized in the cloud and in the sea unto Moses, all of them Israelites, then it goes without any saying, or any foolishness at all, that everything back here in the flood when that 120 years was up, every last one of ’em was inundated in that water. They was all drowned in the flood. If they were all drowned in the flood back there, then can’t you see all of them that come out of Egypt was baptized (Israelites now if you please!) which was baptized in the cloud and in the sea. And Pharaoh representing the Gentile, or the Devil incarnated and his host, they went up and tried to do the same thing that the Israelites done, Gentiles, and they were drowned in the Red Sea. Now that’s that! Somebody say “Well I went to see the Ten Commandments. Cecil B. Demille, and he had a whole string of elders helping him. And he says that Pharaoh, after his host was drowned in the Red Sea, Pharaoh went on back down to Egypt.” And Dr. McCoy told you this, said that the first born of man and beast was slain. Pharaoh’s son was slain. Every where they didn’t see the blood, that angel would pass over that night. Pharaoh’s son… And so them elders, them smart boys, they showed where Pharaoh come on back down into Egypt and took his son… If you haven’t seen the Ten Commandments, make it a point to go and see it. Pharaoh went back and took his son in his arms and went and laid him up in Moloch, the idol god, Moloch god. See he prayed to Moloch to revive his son. Now that’s what’s them Ten Commandments… I said that Pharaoh did not go back down into Egypt (136th Division of Psalms 15th&16th verses), please read it!
READER: But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea. . .
DR. KINLEY: Say wait a minute. Is that the Bible you got there? And overthrew Pharaoh and his host in, Pharaoh and his host, in the Red Sea. Well if God overthrowed Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea, he surely didn’t go back down into Egypt, did he? Well if He overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea, as Dr. McCoy said, the Israelites passed through there, (all that body of Israelites represented the body of Christ as it is here). Now then that just means this: When Christ was crucified, it goes without any discussion one way or the other, Judas is got to be dead and buried and he will not resurrect! What’s that for? That the scriptures might be fulfilled. If it’s so back here, it’s got to be so all the way. Said none is lost but the son of perdition that the scriptures might be fulfilled. Just like Dr. McCoy said, see what you’re looking at is the thing just repeating itself over… It takes that to prove God to be God! I don’t care what you hatch up in the Roman Catholic, and Protestant, and the Greek Orthodox Churches, (I’m gone read to you pretty soon), I don’t care what they decide to do, if it ain’t in harmony with the purpose of God, it ain’t nothing to it, ain’t nothing gonna happen! And David said they had ’em all in derisions, (delusions you’d call it), as they’re in now. Well when Jesus come down here to… Joseph took the young child and come down here. The angel told him to take that young child, and told him to bring Him down into Egypt. What’s that for? That it might be fulfilled. He murdered of all those children, (“Rachel’s weeping for her children”,) trying to get to Christ to kill Him. “That there’s the Lord God, we ain’t gone fool with Him we just gone stop this show.” But the Angel Gabriel, he was named this angel. And that’s the reason why we go get Michael and Gabriel, (name ’em), call His angels by name. Whether it’s Lucifer, Aziel, Michael or Gabriel, just go right on and name ’em. One was a warrior and the other was a messenger. He brought Joseph that message, Gabriel I’m talking about, and he took that young child and come down here into Egypt. Now do you see that? Then when time come for Christ to make His departure out, just like Israel making her departure out, somebody up there has to die! Can’t leave, no there will never be a departure back into Canaan’s land without somebody dying. You know who died?
STUDENT: Herod.
DR. KINLEY: Now you see that now? Now when you get this story line straight… and you’re not going to have no faith in nothing until you do get the story straight as Dr. McCoy has already said. Do you see that now? So now here’s what I’m after showing you, I’m after showing you the birth date of Jesus, the actual date of His birth. And I wanna get off that, (I’ll still be on it), and I wanna talk about Judgment Day. How’s that? I wanna talk about when it will be! How’s that? Is that alright? Now you read over there that Jesus said, in the 24th Chapter of Matthew, (I didn’t forget. You may think I’ve forgotten, but I haven’t) that Jesus said, “That not even the angels in heaven knew, no man on earth knew when Judgment day would be, which the Father had kept in His own power.” Now here’s Peter, (you thought I had forgot that). I had to bring Matthew and then go over and get Peter and then backfire, read 3rd Chapter and 9th verse, 8th & 9th verse.
READER: But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: that one day is with the Lord
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: as a thousand years
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and a thousand years is as one day. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: as some men count slackness. . .
DR. KINLEY: As some men count slackness. Are you listening? Now look! God told Noah to build that ark, and the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was a preparing. What I tried to tell you, that when God spoke to Noah and told him, that was right then, I don’t mean no waiting around, I mean right then the end of all flesh had come before Him. Now Peter looking back here saying “The long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was a preparing,” there in that 3rd chapter, the ark — — —. 1Peter 3:7, repeat that now. It said “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise,”. . .
READER: as some men count slackness. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: but is long suffering toward us. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: not willing that any should perish. . .
DR. KINLEY: Not willing that anybody should be lost!
READER: Perish. . .
DR. KINLEY: That’s the same thing, perish!
READER: but that all should come to repentance. . .
DR. KINLEY: But that all should come to repentance. What’s he, what’s he talking like that for? “Not willing that any..” See God made a promise that in Abraham’s seed, which is Christ… Now He is not slack concerning it at all, not willing that any should blunder, or to perish. Same thing back here, when He said about that serpent’s heel bruising her heel, her heel bruising His head, (promised Redeemer). Well we waited four thousand years for it to come about. But God just didn’t forget, He wasn’t slack concerning His promise of this Redeemer coming from way back here. Now He come down through 63 generations. And when He got down to this generation that you’re reading about here in the 24th Chapter of Matthew, Jesus said “This generation shall not pass,” (that’s the 63rd generation) shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.” This is where, now where He come to get off at. Now that day, and that hour, everything… Remember when He, after He ate that passover that night with the disciples as they did down there in Egypt, (I know them folks in the back can’t see), if you have a. . .
[Tape abruptly fades into Dr. Harris reading dates that different religions celebrate Christmas. (Can’t tell how much of the lecture is missing)]. . .
READER: . . . following the Western Gregorian calendar. The Eastern Orthodox Christmas is January 6th — [There’s an interruption on tape]. . .
DR. KINLEY: Did you hear that? January the, uh, December the 25th, according to the Gregorian calendar, is the Roman Catholic birth date of Jesus. Now you got that? All right, well what did you say about the other one?
READER: The Eastern Orthodox. . .
DR. KINLEY: The Eastern Orthodox Christmas
READER: is January the 6th. . .
DR. KINLEY: Is January the 6th. Now did you get that? They’re not together on this. All right read.
READER: and the Armenian, January the 18th. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now you see that? Now that’s three different birthdays which is an open confession that none of the three of ’em don’t know. You get it? That’s, that’s out of the paper. Now listen, if you can’t prove the birth of Christ and also of Jesus, you just might as well shut up. You just might as well shut up, and fold up, and go on home! You see that one back here.
STUDENT: I have another one here in the back. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now here’s a Bible that says…
READER: The Bible, uh, born toward the end of August, so says the scholar Smith, the Federation of the ——.
DR. KINLEY: Now then here you wanna come and set up and look me in the face and say “I don’t believe that stuff he’s preaching,” and I’m taking it right out of the book. And as Dr. McCoy have showed you repetition after repetition, repetition after repetition. Repeated it in all in the dispensations and ages, and then you got gumption enough to sit up here and say “You know I don’t believe that stuff. That ain’t the way they teach in the Roman Catholic Church; that ain’t the way they teach in the Armenian Church; that ain’t the way they teach in the Greek Orthodox Church; that ain’t the way they teach in the Baptist Church; that ain’t the way they teach it in the Methodist Church, that ain’t the way they teach in this church, that church, and the other church.” Now how do you expect me to go along with all of that junk? I can’t do that, neither can you! Choose yourself some kind of date, just go ‘head and set aside some birthday for Him as though you were God sending Him in the world on some date that the Papacy set up, or the Armenian, or the Greek Orthodox Church. Galatians 4:4, read it please – don’t leave 2nd Peter.
READER: But when the fullness of the time was come. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now this is Paul talking to the Galatians. He said when the fullness of time was come. . .
READER: God sent forth His Son
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: made of a woman. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: made under the law. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: to redeem them that were under the law.
DR. KINLEY: To redeem them that were under the law. But when the fullness of time was come, Daniel 7, read it Freddy. Daniel 7: what? 24.
FRED ALLEN, JR.: 9:24
DR. KINLEY: 9:24
READER: 70 weeks are determined upon thy people. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now look! 70 weeks, 70 weeks are determined upon thy people. . .
READER: and upon thy Holy city. . .
DR. KINLEY: And upon the Holy city, and upon the holy city.
READER: to finish the transgression . . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and to make an end of sin. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: to make reconciliation for iniquity . . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: to bring in everlasting righteousness. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and to seal up the vision and prophecy. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and to anoint the Most Holy
DR. KINLEY: And to anoint the Most Holy. Seventy weeks, 70 weeks from where? From the going forth of the commandment. Three kings, Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes, (Persian kings), and the last one, 70 weeks from that time. Don’t skip around and appoint some days and hours and nothing like that, that’s that, uh that wouldn’t be God. Seventy weeks from that time, in other words, He influenced Artaxerxes to repeat that decree that the Persian king… And 70 weeks from the time that he spoke, was decry, uh decreed to seal up the vision and the prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy and to make an end of sin, and to bring in everlasting reconciliation. Is that in some way, is that some ways near right? Now it don’t make no difference what the Armenian Church and the time they appointed Him. It don’t make no difference about the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope sitting up there decreeing something, God’s gone do it on time. That’s what Paul said “When the fullness of time,” when this fullness of time, (them 490 years), He’s gone bring Him in – bring Him in on time too, the fullness of time. Now Dr. Dewey McCoy read to you out of the Bible, I want you to read it, 5:14, Romans 5:14. Now I’m after the birth date of Jesus, that’s what I’m after. Read.
READER: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: to Moses. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: even over them. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now wait a minute! From Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned. . .
READER: after the similitude of Adam’s . . .
DR. KINLEY: After the similitude of Adam’s transgression.
READER: who is the figure of Him that was to come. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen, GET THIS STRAIGHT! who is a figure of Him that was to come. Now listen Freddy, in Hebrews the 9th Chapter, said this Tabernacle was a figure of heavenly things. TALKING ABOUT FIGURES NOW! And Adam was a figure of Him that was to come. This is the first Adam, the earthly Adam. And Paul said in the 15th Chapter of First Corinthians, THE 2ND ADAM WAS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN. The second Adam (the first was a figure OF HIM that was to come). And the 2nd Adam (not that Adam) was the Lord from heaven. Well now look! If Adam was created on the 6th Day…now that calls for some explaining too.
Israel when she come out of Egypt, she went through the Red Sea, come to Mt. Sinai, that you see the picture more clearly here. They left on April the 17th, right to the very day so says God. On that day He’s fulfilling that promise that was made to Abraham, 430 years right to that very day, not a day before, not the day after. You get the point? Ain’t that what it says over there? That day He brought ’em out in Abib, uh, that’s April in our, according to our Gregorian calendar. I’ll asked if somebody would bring one of our books up here. Find the calendar in it, the Hebrew calendar, cause I’m gonna show you, (see we’re not kidding), find the calendar in it.
Now April in our Gregorian calendar is the third month. January, February, March, 4th month. See that now, that’s the 4th month. But instead of it being April, God said to Israel, (I mean Israel down here in Egypt), said “That this shall be the beginning of months with you.” The beginning of months, not days, but months. Now we went to work and made you a book. We showed you here the calendar. Now you notice this being here just like the Gregorian calendar? So when it appears to him to write…
Now this April, I put it here so you could see it and look at it any time you got ready. Yes it is too right. This April corresponds to this Abib or Nisan, days 30, Exodus 12:2, that’s where you’ll find that. In other words, Abib, (when they left out of there), or Nisan which corresponds to your 4th month April. And usually they, on the 14th when they offered up that lamb, see that would be April the 14th. Drew him out of the flock on April the 10th or Abib or Nisan, which that’s their first month in the Hebrew calendar.
Okay, now that’s the new moon, that’s the Passover that you’ll find in Exodus 12: 1-51, 13:3-10. First fruits of Barley harvest presented, that’s what you call that. Now in the… that’s the first month in the sacred. The second month in the sacred year is Zif, Z-I-F, means Blossom, day 29, and that corresponds to May. Now then, we go on down. Now the third month in the sacred year is what? Sivan. See that’s the third month and it corresponds to June. Now every one of these is a feast day, and a moon, new moon, every one of ’em. These God’s appointed feasts, not Pope John’s and them’s feasts! They got a feast day for everybody and his brother.
God said through Isaiah, (the Israelites had some of that too), He said God said “I can’t, away with your feasts, and your new moon, and your sabbath days.” He didn’t like ’em at all. But these He appointed, they signified and they meant something. Now that Sivan corresponds to June. Now listen, the Passover on the 14th, the second Passover for those who could not keep the first. Did you all know that? Did you know that?
Now I’ll tell you, you want me to tell you about that? Want me to tell you a little something about that? See on this 14th, they couldn’t keep the Passover here if they had touched a dead body. So then they asked Moses then, what they must do about it, Moses said “I don’t know I’ll have to ask the Lord.” So Moses asked the Lord, and so He said “Just keep it thirty days afterwards,” and that’s the second one. Did you know that? That’s just a tittle.
STUDENT: Yeah, that’s nice.
DR. KINLEY: That correspond to Sivan which is the third month there corresponds to June. Now then this was the sixth, that’s called Pentecost. Sixth now – 6 days, this is Pentecost or Feast of Weeks, first fruits of the wheat harvest. Now don’t get that messed up, I said that was the first fruits of wheat harvest. That’s six days of Sivan which is the third month in the sacred year, and the 6th month, and the sixth day, according to the Gregorian calendar. Now is that clear? Now that means this: After Pentecost they come out of Egypt, went through the Red Sea and they gathered around Mt. Sinai in the third month, which was Sivan in their time, and it’s June in ours. And on the 6th day God spoke from Mt. Sinai. That was the day of Pentecost, 6th day of June in your time.
And now that thing had to repeat again. Now listen, Pentecost comes up here. Pentecost means fifty. In other words fifty days after they come out of the Red Sea they were at Mt. Sinai, and God spoke on that day. Are you listening? Dr. Harris is listening. Now God, He spoke the word to Israel in the flesh down here. The Word came to the flesh down here on the 6th day of June. Now that same thing’s got to repeat over here on the day of Pentecost – same thing, same identical thing – same date and everything. God spoke from heaven through the Apostles on the 6th Day of June. Now do you see that? Do you see it?
Now if he’s a figure, Adam was a figure that was to come, or the figure of Him that was to come… All you have to do is look right up here on this chart, look in your Bibles, first chapter of Genesis, and you’ll find that on the 6th day was that first Adam’s birthday, that’s the day. And if he’s a figure of Him that was to come… “And when the fullness of time was come, God brought forth His Son.” You said that John said in the first chapter of St. John, the first verse, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” That’s what you say. And you skip on down to the 14th and you say “And the Word was made flesh.” Here’s the Word speaking to the flesh! Here’s the flesh back here, and the Word’s got to come.
Well if this man was a figure of Him and he’s created on the 6th day, and he’s the only Adam that was created of the earth… Oh me, that’s that’s fine ain’t it? He couldn’t be a figure of Him that was to come if he was created on no other day, born on some other day. Now watch the correlation! Watch how it’s fitted in, I mean tight! When God created that man Adam back there, see it over here on these charts here. That’s the reason why some people they don’t stick around. He took him from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils. Now you see these other days here, He created them. In other words, this up here is nothing but an enlargement of that, so you can see it a far off. So then God breathed in his nostrils, (done created the animals and everything else in the flesh, the created creatures), he’s the last of the created creatures. He’s the first man, first Adam. Listen, “The first shall be last and the last shall be first.”
That means this: that this first Adam back here, trying to show it to you back here. And we just drew this Big Man, so everybody can see here, the FIRST ADAM. Now He created the whole thing, SO THIS IS REALLY THE FRIST! [Elohim] Well the FIRST shall be the LAST, there HE is down yonder. That’s HIM, (for which this earthly one is a figure). Now I said I was after the birth date. Now this ADAM here, since He created this, and it took the sun, moon, and stars and all of those things to bring about day and night and the seasons of the year, then HE have to be formed or created in the realm of eternity where there is no day and there is no night!
So Christ being the FIRST ADAM, He had no birthday! He was the one that made the days, and the weeks, the months of the year and seasons. Is that clear to you? So don’t come up here telling me about Christ, see He’s the FIRST. Now just suppose you just go ‘head and read. Somebody said “Well I never heard it like that before, I don’t know where that man’s getting that stuff at.” Well listen here, let’s see where we’re getting the stuff at. Somebody get Revelations 3:14, and uh, and uh. . .
STUDENT: Colossians 1:15
DR. KINLEY: Colossians 1:15, see whether that stuff I’m talking about is in the book or not. Read, Colossians 1:15-16
READER: Who is the image of the invisible God. . .
DR. KINLEY: Let’s go back up a little fur…
[Side one of Tape Ends]
…Just go ‘head and read the 9th verse,
READER: 9th verse
DR. KINLEY: Yeah just read the 9th
READER: For this cause.. .
DR. KINLEY: First chapter, uh of the first chapter.
READER: For this cause, we also since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge. . .
DR. KINLEY: Is that the first chapter and the 9th verse?
READER: 9th verse.
DR. KINLEY: No, I just want that 9th verse.
READER: That ye might be filled with the knowledge of His will. . .
DR. KINLEY: Maybe it’s the 2nd Chapter and the 9th verse.
FRED ALLEN, JR.: For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of Godhead bodily. . .
DR. KINLEY: That’s right! That’s what I’m after. Read it Freddy.
READER: For in Him dwelleth all . . .
DR. KINLEY: For in Him… who you talking about?
STUDENTS: In Christ!
DR. KINLEY: In Christ, dwelleth all not some, dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. See that’s the reason why I had to put up here Godhead. “Believe Me that I’m in the Father and the Father’s in Me, or else believe on me for My very work sake…Peace be still.” What winds and the waves. “What manner of man is that?” See whenever we get so we can look over the natural things and see through ’em, or something, and see into the innerman…”God was manifest in the flesh, seen of angels, believed on in the world.” And in Him that walked around here dwelleth all the fullness. . . Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, that’s all the fullness of the Godhead b – o – d – i – l – y. Is that the way it’s spelled? Paul said in Timothy 3:16, “Without controversy,” (ain’t no need in arguing about it), “Great is the mystery of Godliness, God” (not Jesus), “God was manifested in the flesh, seen of angels, believed on in the world, preached unto the Gentiles and received up into glory.” Now here comes this same God that created everything down in a body. Quotes, the Devil’s good at quotation you know. “Sacrifices and burnt offerings Thou wouldest not, but a body hast Thou prepared for Me. Then said I, low I come in the volume of the book as it is written” (not gonna be written), as it is already written of me to do Thy will O God. And when the fullness of time had come, here He come in that body (prepared body), to do Thy will O God as it’s already written of Me. Therefore we say to the Law and to the Testimony – it’s already written. Somebody said Jesus come along establishing ordinances. I beg your pardon, He didn’t come for that. He come to fulfill them that was already established, or in other words, somebody said “Well He instituted the Lord’s Supper.” No, um hum. If you think so let’s read Matthew 5:17, just read that. Read it out of the book, I wanna get …THIS MAN’S PLAYING A RECORDING HERE.
READER: Think not that I am come. . .
DR. KINLEY: Think not, (Jesus talking), said don’t think, Don’t, think not that I come to destroy the law or the prophecy. . .
READER: I am not come to destroy. . .
DR. KINLEY: I didn’t come to do that
READER: but to fulfill. . .
DR. KINLEY: But to fulfill. Fulfill what? That which is already written of me. You see the point? Then what else?
READER: For verily I say unto you. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: till heaven and earth pass. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: one jot or one tittle. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: shall in no wise pass from. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: from the law. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: till all be fulfilled. . .
DR. KINLEY: Till everything is fulfilled! Now listen! Here’s a jot and a tittle, telling you when that man was born or created there, that first one. Said he was born on the 6th day. Now He’s got to fulfill all these things, so that mean He’s got to come in on that 6th day, don’t he’ll never get it fulfilled. Sixth day of what? Sixth day of June. Well look! I told you a while ago, and showed you, here it was this first one, he’s created and God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, there was the animals and everything created the other days before. Is that right? You say that’s right, just about. Then if that’s so then, Adam was created there and given dominion over everything, created out there among the animals. Then here comes the…I don’t care nothing about Augusta Ceasar giving a decree that all the world should be taxed. And then they went up to Jerusalem, uh, Bethlehem of Judea. Joseph, and he was espoused to a virgin, Mary I’m talking about. It says when he got up there all the Inns were filled up, wasn’t no place for ’em. Well what’s them Inns filled up for? Why wasn’t it some advanced reservations made? Well it wasn’t no, see it wasn’t no Inns and nothing back here. So if he was created out here among the beast of the field, you know good and well Jesus got to be born down there among them beasts. That’s the reason why it wasn’t no room in the inn. Well if that’s on the 6th day down here you see that he was created out there among the beast (so you say that God made the man on the 6th day), then you can see right here that He has to come in on the 6th, and He’s got to be right out there with the beast on the 6th. That’s June 6th. Now lot of people will say this, “I don’t understand this kind of preaching.” No, I know you don’t, because you’ve never heard nothing like this before in your life. These hypocrite preachers don’t know that. You can talk about Revern’ all you want to… Now over there in the 24th chapter of Matthew, that many a false prophets would go out. And Peter said in last days, 2nd Peter about the 2nd chapter, and begin with the second, uh, first verse, He said many false teachers they already done gone out in the world. Jesus said it back in Matthew 24:15, when He was out there, “Many,” not a few, a whole lot of ’em! Get in your car sometime and ride up and down some of these areas, you’ll see the Holy Church of St. John, and the Heavenly Church of just anything! They’re all up and down the street. Just take a look! And in case somebody, some merchant moves out of it, here goes some hypocrite preacher down there today and he calls it some name, Mt. Zion Baptist Church, 2nd Baptist, 3rd Baptist, 1st Presbyterian, 2nd Church of Christ, the 3rd Church – everything you can think of! Well what do you think these were talking about? What do you think Peter them were talking about? They had false prophets back here among the folks, so then they gone keep right on. Now then if they had known (what I’m pointing out to you is), if they had known to take the scriptures to show the birth date of Jesus, this here Roman Catholic Church, this Armenian Church, and this uh, what’s this other one?
STUDENT: Greek Orthodox.
DR. KINLEY: Greek Orthodox Church, if they’d known that Jesus was born according to the scriptures, born on time according to the scriptures… Now here they got Him in January. Some of ’em got it the twenty-fifth day of December. Now are you listening? You real sure? Now if you just had just a little plain old horse sense, don’t need no intelligence, just plain old down right horse sense. Listen! Here God, when He created the man (you see it from here), when God created that man, (remember He done created everything else)! Then He created the man and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living soul. Then He planted a garden east in Eden, and put the man in the garden there to dress it. And the garden was in fruition, therefore He told him he could eat of all the fruit of the trees that was in the garden. He couldn’t eat of the fruit if it wasn’t in fruition. Eat of the, eat of the fru… but the fruit tree which is in the midst of the garden, of the knowledge of Good and Evil, don’t touch it , don’t eat that. Now don’t forget the point. See why you don’t need no brains. If that’s the way the first Adam was, and if she’s in fruition there, and I’ve read to you about them feasts last week, and he’s eating, now you tell me… if they just had an inkling they wouldn’t be talking about the 25th day of December, the 6th day of January, the 18th day of January out there, the shepherds’ out there grazing their flocks in the field sweeping the snow off! He’s the second Adam, so He’s got to come in there. Did you see that? What did God wanna make a man and He ain’t got nothing for him to eat?. . .
[Fades into scripture Genesis 8:22 being read]
READER: While the earth remaineth . . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: seed time and harvest. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and cold and heat. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and summer and winter. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and day and night. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: shall not cease . . .
DR. KINLEY: Shall not cease. 25th Day of December, sweeping snow, winter time. You get it? Sixth day of January, 18th day of January, and all this parade they put on —- —- —-. Pope Paul the 6th is going up one side of the mount, and the other Pope is going up, uh Antagora, he’s going up the other side and they gonna meet on top! They gone meet in hell too! I don’t, I meant to say that plainly so. Trying to imitate Christ, and follow the footsteps of Christ – you see what I’m talking about? But if he’s gone follow something why don’t he just follow it all the way through? That’s what Dr. McCoy did. Did you want to say something?
DR. ALLEN: It’s suppose to be a meeting here right after this meeting is out and. . .
DR. KINLEY: Well then me and my big mouth I guess I’ll let him close down, or else it is not my fault. Suppose you just… See we had a band at the Embassy Auditorium, and there was just about seven hundred of ’em I believe. And they were down there just tooting toot toot tooting (a great big brass band). Y’all remember that? And we couldn’t.., some of the boys was talking real soft, they was up here trying to preach, is that right, so when I got up, me and my big mouth, why then some of ’em kicked on the door “Be quiet over there!” I said I’m a whole brass band by myself! Toot-toot-toot, the toot-toot-toot!! Y’all remember that?
AUDIENCE: Yes!
DR. KINLEY: That was a, I don’t know how many piece orchestra they had, but it was a good orchestra, it was real nice. I mean a whole brass band, in other words, they owned all the instruments, all the… [Statement inaudible because of laughter of the Student Body]Y’all remember. . . See that now?
Now I said I wanna talk about Judgment Day. Y’all got that down? Now folks, these here, they’re on 6th… (Yeah, yeah take it out the way) Now you see how this angel Gabriel, (see this is Michael and Gabriel). Here’s the cloud overshadowing, the Holy Ghost, God dwelt between the wings, overshadowing. See this is the Word reflecting the Word that’s laid in her womb. The veils, pressed the loins and come on down here. Born on the 6th day, he’s born on the 6th day back there. You see there’s a right time to be born. Well looka here, somebody said “Well now wait a minute Dr. Kinley, I can’t see that.” Now let me explain it. See when they brought this tabernacle up out of here, this thing right here, established in the ninth month, erected and all in the ninth month. See it had to be… you couldn’t put it together here. The silver and gold, and the good and so forth and so on, they brought up out of here. They dwelt in the wilderness there, and it was reared up in the 9th month. Well then look here, when He’s born down here, (when the fullness of time had come, the 9th months).. It’s just as easy as it can be! How much easier can [somebody coughs]. Israel stayed in here for 40 years – 40 weeks, 9 months, a child is born. That’s going on now. Now when one —- —- —-. Now I told you Sunday that it was in the book. It’s in there ain’t it? See how easy it is. [Beginning to hear background noises of people assembling for the next meeting] Now here’s the Word made flesh, back here is the Word made flesh. See now if the Word was made flesh there. Reremember I told you, that was the Word speaking from Mt. Sinai to Israel. It was the Word laid in the ark of the covenant, (Mary is the ark of the covenant), the cherubims of glory overshadowing the mercy seat and God dwelling in this cloud – she’s overshadowed with the Holy Ghost. Here the Word’s made flesh, (the words contained in the covenant, the covenant to Israel that He spoke from the mountain —– —- —–. Now the law, Paul said, “Is a shadow of things to come.” Moses saw the vision of this creation, he saw the vision of the creation up here in this mountain. The cloud covered the top of the mountain and Moses saw this vision and them six solar days that the cloud (that’s in 1490, 1490 BC), and he saw that vision in the cloud. Saw that vision of this man here, and the tabernacle, and these days here, in six solar days. Now the heaven and the earth was already created at the time that he saw it. Cause he was in Mt. Sinai and that was almost created when he saw it. He just run the reel back over. You make yourself a picture out here in Hollywood and send it to New York or England if you want to, but it was made in New York.
Now I wanna talk about Judgment Day. Now we talked, we got that birthday straight. Now I wanna talk about Judgment Day, when it is. Now you remember we told you this. We showed you that… Look at the top of your book, Genesis, look at it, the chronology in the top of your book. See then you said, (wanna get these statements up here), then you said this is 1963 in AD (Anno Domini) 5-9-6-7. [Doc is writing from right to left] See that’s Five thousand, nine hundred and sixty seven years [5967]. Did you say that’s right? All right 2nd Peter 3rd Chapter, 9th verse about that “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise as some men count slackness,”
READER: But beloved, or you want the Lord is not slack concerning His promise. . .
DR. KINLEY: But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing.
READER: But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . .
DR. KINLEY: And a thousand years as one day. Now Pete said don’t be ignorant of that. Now read on Dr. Harris.
READER: The Lord is not slack concerning His promise as some men count slackness. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now look, if we could just straighten this out 4004 and just make it (I’ll put it so you could see it), 1000, 1000, 1000, 1000, add it up then you have 4000, (not 4004), not that. Peter didn’t say that beloved be not ignorant of this one thing that one day with the Lord is a 1001 years multiplied by 4 making 4004 BC which you have in the top of your Bible there. See and I was gone get you to read (you thought I’d forgotten, I didn’t), Colossians 1:15-16. Now I want that. Read it. Find it quick and. . .
READER: Who is the image of the invisible God
DR. KINLEY: Who is the image of the invisible God, talking about Christ.
READER: the first born of every creature. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now He’s the first born. He’s the first born of every creature. Now here’s what I’m trying to tell you Freddy, see He was before this Adam here, cause He’s the first born of every creature. Now you had Revelations 3:14 didn’t you? Hold it right there and read Revelations 3:14 so we can get it on this tape. Please read quick. Now you just read that He was the first born who was the image of the invisible God, and He was the first born of every creature. Y’all got that? Alright, now then Revelations 3:14, right to the 5th & 6th verse.
READER: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: Write. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: these things saith the Amen. . .
DR. KINLEY: These things saith the Amen.
READER: the true and faithful. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now don’t blame that on Kinley. There’s always somebody going around saying, “That man said,” but no you, you, see, you understand? These things saith the Amen. Read.
READER: the faithful and true witness. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: The beginning of the creation of God. . .
DR. KINLEY: Huh?
READER: The beginning of the creation of God. . .
DR. KINLEY: Oh I see, well then this man down here was not the beginning of the creation of God. Then we tried to tell you that God is pure spirit and He took on incorporeal form. So this God taking on this incorporeal form, then this is the beginning of the creation of God. See “Who is the image of the invisible God.” Read Dr. Harris.
READER: The first born of every creature. . .
DR. KINLEY: The first born of every creature. He created everything else. All right read.
READER: For by Him were all things created. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: that are in heaven. . .
DR. KINLEY: That are… you talking about the angels in heaven. Look here, this is the exterior of the tabernacle, this is the interior. See them angels all around the walls in there, see that’s around the walls of the most holy place and the holy place too. See who is the Creator of the angels, (they’re incorporeal too), He’s the Super incorporeal. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature. For by Him (by Him) were everything created, whether they be angels. . .
READER: which are in heaven. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: that are in the earth
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: visible and invisible. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: whether they be thrones
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: or dominions. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: or principalities. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: or powers. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: all things were created by Him
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: and for Him. . .
DR. KINLEY: And for Him, now that’s that First Adam, all things were created by Him. Now are you listening? You real sure? Talking about Judgment day now. Now this is in the Realm of Eternity. This is before any angels, this earth, or any of it.. Proverbs 8:22. See “God possessed me in the beginning of His way before His works of old,” is that right?
READER: I was set up from everlasting. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: from the beginning. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: or ever the earth was. . .
DR. KINLEY: Or ever the earth was. Read on.
READER: when there was no depths. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: I was brought forth. . .
DR. KINLEY: I was brought forth. See I just got through telling you that when He took on that incorporeal form He’s the firstborn of every creature. All right read on.
READER: when there was no fountain abounding with water. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: before the mountains were settled,
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: before the hills was I brought forth. . .
DR. KINLEY: Before the hill was, I was brought forth. Read on.
READER: while as yet He had not made the earth. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: nor the fields. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: or the highest part of the dust of the earth. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: When He prepared the heavens,
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: I was there. . .
DR. KINLEY: I was there. You see that? Said “I was there.” Read me a little further.
READER: When He set a compass upon the face of the depth. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats). Read.
READER: when He established the clouds above. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: when He strengthened the fountains of the deep. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: when He gave to the sea His decree. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: that the waters should not. . .
DR. KINLEY: Whoa, whoa, hold it right there. When He gave, it covered the face of the earth, moved them waters back off the face of the earth and said “Come this far and don’t go no further.” And when He gave the sea it’s decree, then what did you say?
READER: that the waters should not pass His commandment. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats). Read.
READER: when He appointed the foundations of the earth. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now see, when He appointed the foundations of the earth, then what?
READER: then I was by Him. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: as one brought up with Him. . .
DR. KINLEY: As one brought… COME RIGHT OUT OF PURE SPIRIT INTO INCORPOREAL FORM, come right up with Him. You get that now? Yes we do know what we’re talking about! Now listen, listen, this is almost as important as that ignorance. [People attending next function are very noisy] Now listen, I’m talking to you about Judgment day. You see you’ve got to listen and you’ve got to listen good. Now this is the realm of eternity where there is no day, and no night, that is pure spirit. Isaiah 57:15, read it please.
READER: For thus saith the high and lofty one that inhabits Eternity…
DR. KINLEY: Thus saith the high and lofty one – what?
READER: that inhabits eternity. . .
DR. KINLEY: That inhabiteth eternity. See there, inhabiteth eternity. Then what?
READER: who’s Name is Holy. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: I dwell in the high and holy place. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: with him that is also of a contrite. . .
DR. KINLEY: With him that is also of a contrite heart. Where did you say He dwell at? In Eternity, that’s where He said He’d dwell at. Now in the Realm of Eternity, (first chapter of Genesis and read right on down.) “In the beginning was the word, uh, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and God said let there be light and the evening and the morning were the first day.” [The other group is getting very noisy] Is that right?
STUDENTS: Right.
DR. KINLEY: Then if that’s right, it takes you right on through the six days as you have it up here. And all of this creation took place in the realm of eternity, everything you see, or within this cloud, and it abides in eternity. Now I’m talking about the day of Judgment. Now if you look now, please read it, Genesis the 2nd chapter and the 4th verse. Now Peter said, the Lord… “Beloved be not ignorant of this one thing that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day.” Now you have the record of each day of this creation here, which is six thousand years. And then on the 7th thousandth He rested, according to Genesis, rested on the 7th day. Now here in the 2nd chapter of Genesis it showed that all of this took place in The Day, or in the Eternity of God. Now here’s what I’m trying to tell you, see God give, and created everything. And when God created everything and made the creation all in the realm of eternity, then He rested right there. Now here’s what I’m trying to get over to you. Now when all that God had purposed, (see I told you that everything come out of God there, everything, I don’t care what it was whether it was thrones or — —- —- —-), come out of God in this incorporeal form. Now everything is got to go back in the realm of eternity. So when all that is accomplished, (just like when He got through with the physical, He rested, right there is where He stopped at), so now when everything that God has decreed takes place, and through the realm of eternity, and then we go right back into it, and there, right there is Judgment Day! I want you to read it out of the book. 2nd chapter of Genesis and the first verse.
READER: These are the generations. . .
DR. KINLEY: These are the generations of the heavens and earth.
READER: when they were created. . .
DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: in the day. . .
DR. KINLEY: IN THE DAY! or in the eternity of God.
READER: before the Lord God made the heavens. . .
DR. KINLEY: Before the Lord God made the heavens. You see what I’m talking about? Now in the first chapter of Ephesians Paul said, now since we’ve come out of that then we got to go back. See gather all things in heaven, everything in earth. Now when that is accomplished, just like when this was accomplished God Rested, then that is judgment day! Well it hasn’t never got out of the realm of eternity, so that’s judgment day. He created everything and it abides, never gets out that —-. That’s when, that’s where, that is how, that is why. You understand? Now no man on earth knows anything about this but the…
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